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2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

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2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby dmaclaren » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:52 am

So, it tripping.

Tested the terms to the heater. They are providing correct power. So, I unhooked the sensors to the heater from the control panel and turned back on. WEll the blinking lights. Then, I plugged those in and disconnected the heater power leads.

The unit stayed on and I could see the led calling for heat. Once this didn't kick out, I turned on all jets and it ran for the 2 hours. The unit heated up to temp and I put the filter back in about 1/2 way through the heating.

I woke up today and the breaker was tripped. I turned it back on and ran all jets, it kicked back out in 5 minutes,

Is this the heater, sensor, something else? If it was one of the sensors on the heater, wouldn't it then flash the red/green light?
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Re: 2005 Hor Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby Dan.the.spa.man » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:06 am

So the actual 30 amp breaker is in the tripped position when you check it or is the power light flashing and you have to reset it to get everything going again?

Pretty uncommon to have the 30 amp trip (circ pump/jet pump/light breaker) Is there any chance that some water or moisture got into the breaker panel?
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Re: 2005 Hor Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby dmaclaren » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:34 am

the 30 amp is the heater breaker.

trips the breaker
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Re: 2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby Dan.the.spa.man » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:05 am

That could be the problem. On an 05 Envoy the 30 amp breaker should control the circ pump, jets, and light.

http://www.hotspring.com/pdfs/owners_manual_05.pdf

See page 22-23 in the owner's manual. The 30 amp should have the neutral wire which is the circuit providing 110 volts for the circ pump opperation.
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Re: 2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby dmaclaren » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:23 pm

interesting, I have been running this thing for 5 years now.

I will have to take them apart to see what is where. All I know is when I took off the leads for the heater from the board, it was fine.


I copied off the diagram and I am going to see for sure that it's wired correctly. Now, if it is the 30 for sure that is non heater based and I get nothing for a warning, any thoughts?
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Re: 2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby dmaclaren » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:51 pm

I just checked the wiring for the unit. I have everything where it needs to be. The 30 is the breaker that tripped and I verified that the 20 is the breaker from the manual that is the heater. So, what was an easy thought of answer is not. I thought it would be easy to replace the heater and it would be done. I have reduced the temp to not have it kick on the heater to see what is going on.

While I was looking at the breaker, I was flipping it on/off a few times with the 20. A couple times it did trip right away. So, maybe it's a breaker issue.


With all this, I will now move the breaker to being visible and 5' from the tub. Currently I have it under the deck and out of the way. Well, it's time to move it to the correct location.
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Re: 2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby Dan.the.spa.man » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:47 pm

What does it show for wiring on the inside cover of the control box? Never seen an Envoy with the 30 amp as the heater breaker.

I've been out to fix tubs that somehow worked for years that were wired wrong.

At any rate, you can test the heater to see if it is leaking current to ground. Set your meter to ohms, put one of the probes in either the black or white terminal and the other in the ground terminal. You should get a reading of O.L. or open or 0. Any other reading of a number means the heater is grounded.
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Re: 2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby dmaclaren » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:14 am

It's wired right, I was wrong stating the heater is on the 30 amp. According to the diagram, it's on the 20 amp.

I hope it's just the 30 amp breaker that the issue and not the tub.

I can get it on then after something like 10 hours, it trips. I have run the jets for two hours and the tub heats just fine. Then some time over night it trips.
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Re: 2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby dmaclaren » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:52 am

So, I can run the pumps for the full two hours. After 6 - 8 hours, the 30 amp trips. Thoughts?
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Re: 2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby Dan.the.spa.man » Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:04 pm

tough to say, very uncommon. Make sure all of the wires are tight.

I would start by unplugging 1 component at a time and see if it stops. If it trips, move on to the next one. If it still keeps tripping try replacing the breaker.

I would start with:

1. ozonator
2. Auxillary pad
3. light
4. Jet pump 1
5. jet pump 2
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Re: 2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby dmaclaren » Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:37 pm

that will take time but I am on the task. I'll report back in a couple days as there is about an eight hour delay each trip

Thanks for the advise
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Re: 2005 Hot Spring Envoy 30 amp fuse tripping

Postby dmaclaren » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:15 am

I removed the 30 amp breaker and brought it inside for a few hours. then I banged it a couple times to clear out any debris. I saw a couple cow webs in it. I then hooked it back up. Well, it has been running 36 hours without fault at this point. I hope this was the issue.

No loss here though, in the short term of logging this issue, I scanned the forum and learned more from peoples posts.

Thanks,
Don
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